Sunday, October 27, 2013
Native Americans Started with Haplogroup R ? Not Q ?
Nadene Goldfoot
I love this post just sent to me from my Q group! It has the most interesting information. We know that our haplogroup is Q1b1a, a Jewish branch of Q. The Q line is also found in Native Americans, showing that we branched off of it long ago since Q's originated in Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey about 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. Q has been the link for Asia and the Americas, found in northern and central Asian populations as well as in Native Americans. It is thought to have originated in central Asia and migrated through northern Eurasia into the Americas. So evidently there were more than one Y haplogroup living way back then in these places.
A Russian 4 year old child's remains have been found who lived 24,000 years ago in Asia. His tests show that he was of the Y haplogroup R. R1, which is European, is found a lot in England. Then again, Egypt claims that King Tut was also an R. R was thought to have come from NW Asia about 30,000 to 35,000 years ago. R2 is found only in Indian, Iranian and central Asian populations. This boy was found to be 30% Western Eurasian.
His Mitrochondrial haplogroup was U, another European line. U's go back 50,000 years and could have interacted with Neanderthals in Europe. This was the mtDNA of Cheddar Man. 40%k of Europeans have the clade U5, the most frequent and ancient subcluster of U. U2 is most common in India and U6 in North Africa.
This brings to mind the following:
41,000 years ago the Denisovan lived, pre-runners of Neanderthals.
38,000 years ago the Neanderthal lived, of which we European origin all bear a % of their genes.
15,000 to 20,000 years ago the Asians crossed the Bering Sea land bridge to get to North America.
Resource: http://dna-explained.com/2013/10/25/ancestor-of-native-americans-in-asia-was-30-western-eurasian/
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
I love this post just sent to me from my Q group! It has the most interesting information. We know that our haplogroup is Q1b1a, a Jewish branch of Q. The Q line is also found in Native Americans, showing that we branched off of it long ago since Q's originated in Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey about 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. Q has been the link for Asia and the Americas, found in northern and central Asian populations as well as in Native Americans. It is thought to have originated in central Asia and migrated through northern Eurasia into the Americas. So evidently there were more than one Y haplogroup living way back then in these places.
A Russian 4 year old child's remains have been found who lived 24,000 years ago in Asia. His tests show that he was of the Y haplogroup R. R1, which is European, is found a lot in England. Then again, Egypt claims that King Tut was also an R. R was thought to have come from NW Asia about 30,000 to 35,000 years ago. R2 is found only in Indian, Iranian and central Asian populations. This boy was found to be 30% Western Eurasian.
His Mitrochondrial haplogroup was U, another European line. U's go back 50,000 years and could have interacted with Neanderthals in Europe. This was the mtDNA of Cheddar Man. 40%k of Europeans have the clade U5, the most frequent and ancient subcluster of U. U2 is most common in India and U6 in North Africa.
This brings to mind the following:
41,000 years ago the Denisovan lived, pre-runners of Neanderthals.
38,000 years ago the Neanderthal lived, of which we European origin all bear a % of their genes.
15,000 to 20,000 years ago the Asians crossed the Bering Sea land bridge to get to North America.
Resource: http://dna-explained.com/2013/10/25/ancestor-of-native-americans-in-asia-was-30-western-eurasian/
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
Labels: ancient 4 year old boy, genome, haplogroups, Q, R, recent find, Russian, U
Thursday, September 19, 2013
Y Haplogroup Matches to Goldfoot on 23&Me
Nadene Goldfoot
Charles Goldfoot b: 1906 and Moses "Maurice" Goldfoot b: 1908
South Portland, Oregon c 1910. Their father was killed in 1912.
My father's Ydna Haplogroup is Q1b1a. We are 5% of the Jewish men of today. I say we, but the haplogroup doesn't show up in a female's test. One has to have a male from the line to do that. All of our matches look like they are or at least were from people of a Jewish background. My father, "Maurice", reflects his round face from the Jermulowske side and my uncle has the longer face from the Goldfoot side. Their father, Nathan Abraham, came from Telsiai, Lithuania and was Goldfus, there. I've traced the family back to 1730 in Telsiai.
I discovered segments of the program that I had never explored until a few minutes ago and it is quite revealing. My own DNA in this autosomal test shows up from both my mother and my father's genes. We have to this date, 1067 matches. I fixed the program to show Y haplogroup matches. Out of this huge group, 23&Me knows that 324 of them are testing only females showing no Y haplogroup title. So I was able to check out 667 of the matching Y haplogroups from men who had tested..
There were :
144= E1b1b1. I started thinking they all would be this group! It turns out that they are an ancient Middle East group. It's quite Jewish, some clades found at moderate frequencies in the populations of Europe, particularly among those that reside near the Mediterranean, which is believed to represent ancient genetic influence from the Middle East to Europe. E's originated in Africa (which we all did) some 50,000 years ago.
49 =G1. May have originated along the eastern edge of the Middle East or India or Pakistan 30,000 years ago and dispersed into central Asia, Europe and Middle East. 7% of Ashkenazi Jews have this.
26=I1 Usually found in Scandinavia and Croatia with some traces in the Middle East, the source. Vikings could have carried it from there.
95=J1e 10,000 to 15,000 years ago in Fertile Crescent including Jews, Arabs, Armenians, and Kurds. Iran and Iraq have highest frequencies where it may have originated, carried by traders to Europe, central Asia, India, Pakistan. J1 is the Cohen gene. Arabs have been found with that as J1ced with Arab extension. The majority of Jewish men are found with J1. Both Jews and Arabs are found with J1c3d.
109=J2, J2a1b Same information as above: However, J2 is believed to be associated with the spread of agriculture during Neolithic Period from Anatolia, found in central Asia, Mediterranean and south into India.
47=Q1b This is our Goldfoot haplogroup. Came from central Asia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago so is older than J1. Latest findings place us in or around Ur, which was the city where Abraham lived which is now a part of Iraq. Abraham lived in the 2nd millennium BCE.
6=R1
79= R1a1a Older haplogroup yet, originating in NW Asia from 30,000 to 35,000 years ago, common throughout Europe and Eurassia.
14=R1b1b2 (not my gentile side of R1b1a2a1a1b4) This one surprised me.
18=R1b1b2a
8=R1b1b2a1a
2=R1b1b2a1a1
1=R1b1b2a1a1d
16=R1b1b2a1a1d1
1=R1b1b2a1a2
2=R1b1b2a1a2c
11=R1b1b2a1a2d
3=R1b1b2a1a2d3
7=R1b1b2a1a2f
9=R2 Rarer than R1, is found only in Indian, Iranian and central Asian populations
21=T This is a new one on me and Jon Entine. I found it is older and had been known as K2, found in Egypt, Portuguese Jews, Zoroastrians, Somalis in Ethiopia. Linkage with I of some sort. " The presence of T1a2 chromosomes in Near Eastern Jewish and non-Jewish populations may reflect early exiles between the ancient lands of Israel and Babylon. The presence of different subclades of T chromosomes in Europe may be explained by both the spread of Neolithic farmers and the later dispersal of Jews from the Near East."
Reference: 23%Me DNA Company in California
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184
http://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/MendezHumBiol2011.pdf about T in Jews.
http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-genes-what-haplogroup-could-they.html
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| My Uncle, Charles Goldfoot |
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| My father, Maurice Goldfoot |
Charles Goldfoot b: 1906 and Moses "Maurice" Goldfoot b: 1908
South Portland, Oregon c 1910. Their father was killed in 1912.
My father's Ydna Haplogroup is Q1b1a. We are 5% of the Jewish men of today. I say we, but the haplogroup doesn't show up in a female's test. One has to have a male from the line to do that. All of our matches look like they are or at least were from people of a Jewish background. My father, "Maurice", reflects his round face from the Jermulowske side and my uncle has the longer face from the Goldfoot side. Their father, Nathan Abraham, came from Telsiai, Lithuania and was Goldfus, there. I've traced the family back to 1730 in Telsiai.
I discovered segments of the program that I had never explored until a few minutes ago and it is quite revealing. My own DNA in this autosomal test shows up from both my mother and my father's genes. We have to this date, 1067 matches. I fixed the program to show Y haplogroup matches. Out of this huge group, 23&Me knows that 324 of them are testing only females showing no Y haplogroup title. So I was able to check out 667 of the matching Y haplogroups from men who had tested..
There were :
144= E1b1b1. I started thinking they all would be this group! It turns out that they are an ancient Middle East group. It's quite Jewish, some clades found at moderate frequencies in the populations of Europe, particularly among those that reside near the Mediterranean, which is believed to represent ancient genetic influence from the Middle East to Europe. E's originated in Africa (which we all did) some 50,000 years ago.
49 =G1. May have originated along the eastern edge of the Middle East or India or Pakistan 30,000 years ago and dispersed into central Asia, Europe and Middle East. 7% of Ashkenazi Jews have this.
26=I1 Usually found in Scandinavia and Croatia with some traces in the Middle East, the source. Vikings could have carried it from there.
95=J1e 10,000 to 15,000 years ago in Fertile Crescent including Jews, Arabs, Armenians, and Kurds. Iran and Iraq have highest frequencies where it may have originated, carried by traders to Europe, central Asia, India, Pakistan. J1 is the Cohen gene. Arabs have been found with that as J1ced with Arab extension. The majority of Jewish men are found with J1. Both Jews and Arabs are found with J1c3d.
109=J2, J2a1b Same information as above: However, J2 is believed to be associated with the spread of agriculture during Neolithic Period from Anatolia, found in central Asia, Mediterranean and south into India.
47=Q1b This is our Goldfoot haplogroup. Came from central Asia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago so is older than J1. Latest findings place us in or around Ur, which was the city where Abraham lived which is now a part of Iraq. Abraham lived in the 2nd millennium BCE.
6=R1
79= R1a1a Older haplogroup yet, originating in NW Asia from 30,000 to 35,000 years ago, common throughout Europe and Eurassia.
14=R1b1b2 (not my gentile side of R1b1a2a1a1b4) This one surprised me.
18=R1b1b2a
8=R1b1b2a1a
2=R1b1b2a1a1
1=R1b1b2a1a1d
16=R1b1b2a1a1d1
1=R1b1b2a1a2
2=R1b1b2a1a2c
11=R1b1b2a1a2d
3=R1b1b2a1a2d3
7=R1b1b2a1a2f
9=R2 Rarer than R1, is found only in Indian, Iranian and central Asian populations
21=T This is a new one on me and Jon Entine. I found it is older and had been known as K2, found in Egypt, Portuguese Jews, Zoroastrians, Somalis in Ethiopia. Linkage with I of some sort. " The presence of T1a2 chromosomes in Near Eastern Jewish and non-Jewish populations may reflect early exiles between the ancient lands of Israel and Babylon. The presence of different subclades of T chromosomes in Europe may be explained by both the spread of Neolithic farmers and the later dispersal of Jews from the Near East."
Reference: 23%Me DNA Company in California
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184
http://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/MendezHumBiol2011.pdf about T in Jews.
http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-genes-what-haplogroup-could-they.html
Labels: DNA connections, E, G, Goldfoot Ydna, I, J, Q, Q1b1a, R, Y DNA haplogroups
